Nearly four years ago we first heard about Shakedry, a new “permanently beading” waterproof/breathable membrane technology from Gore-Tex that eliminated the need for a DWR-treated face fabric and that purportedly wouldn’t wet-out. If true, that’d be a big deal, because it would solve one source of failure of modern rain shells.
The North Face was first-to-market, launching its HyperAir Jacket ($250, 6 oz, discontinued) in a miraculously fast 12 weeks.
In December 2015 I speculated that we were on the cusp of a category revolution. Earlier that year Columbia had released a heavier but technologically similar fabric, OutDry Extreme. And I thought it was only a matter of time until Gore-affiliated brands embraced Shakedry and until Asian mills reverse-engineered Shakedry and OutDry Extreme, leading to additional distribution and innovation.
But that didn’t happen. Today, it’s shockingly difficult to find Shakedry products — shell pants are simply nonexistent, and shell jackets are available from just a few brands.
As far as I know, the Gore Wear H5 Gore-Tex Shakedry Hooded Jacket ($380, 8 oz) is the only backpacking-worthy shell currently available. It’s made of a new heavier Shakedry variant that can better withstand abrasion from heavy packs and brush.
An H5 Shakedry was sent to me by a Gore Wear media rep this spring for testing. Gore Wear is a Gore-owned apparel company that focuses mostly on bike and run. It has a greater presence in Europe than the US.
Review: Gore Wear H5 Gore-Tex Shakedry Jacket
Is the Gore Wear H5 Gore-Tex Shakedry Hooded Jacket a game-changer?
I’m cautiously optimistic that it does represent a step-up in waterproof/breathable performance. But take note that this is not a “long-term review” — by design or luck, I had good weather on most of my 2019 trips.
This year I took it into the field for about forty-five days. But it was tested only during five days of persistent rain in West Virginia, one soggy day in Alaska’s Brooks Range, and one afternoon of torrential rains in Yosemite. Later this week while elk hunting in Colorado, it will probably also see some light snow and ferocious winds. I’ve noticed no change in performance from when it was new, which is more than you can say about most WP/B jackets after being touched with oily hands and shoved into a pack for 6 weeks.
The H5 Shakedry is best suited for hiking and backpacking in the Mountain West, where it does not rain often or for long (usually), and where rain is often accompanied by cooler temperatures.
While its breathability is very good for a waterproof-breathable garment, direct venting features like torso/pit zips and mesh-backed front pockets would be appreciated in warmer and more humid climates like the Appalachians and Alaska. To use Gore Wear’s nomenclature, this would be a H7 Shakedry Jacket.
But there is no H7 Shakedry (yet or ever?), and I’d still pick the H5 Shakedry in such conditions if my other option was made of a traditional WP/B laminate — the benefits of a permanently beading surface outweigh the H5 Shakedry’s minimalist design. Although, in really wet conditions, I’d consider supplementing it with a lightweight umbrella, which proved to be a powerful combination in West Virginia.
The H5 Shakedry could serve double-duty for running and biking — it weighs only 8 oz, packs down small, and has an athletic cut. But if hiking is not your primary activity, you might want to look at other Shakedry shells that are lighter, softer, and more activity-specific.
Key product specs
- Gore-Tex Active fabric with Shakedry technology
- Two-way front zipper
- Two large zippered front pockets, both of which serve as a stuff sack
- Hat-compatible hood has drawcord adjustment and stiffened brim
- Partially elasticized wrist cuffs
- 8.2 oz (232 g) in size Large (confirmed)
- $380 MSRP
- More information
Other H5 and Shakedry jackets
The H5 Shakedry is not to be confused with other H5 products from Gore Wear, specifically the:
- H5 Gore-Tex Active, which is made of a more traditional 2.5-layer laminate;
- H5 Gore-Tex Shakedry Insulated, which has a Polartec Alpha lining; or the,
- H5 Gore Windstopper Jacket, which is not waterproof.
Among other Shakedry shells, the H5 is unique for its fabric weight. As far as I know, all other Shakedry jackets use the original variant that is lighter but less durable, making it more appropriate for trail running, biking, and day-hiking. Specifically:
- Arc’Teryx Norvan SL Hoodie ($300, 4.2 oz)
- Gore Wear R7 Gore-Tex Shakedry ($300, 4.1 oz)
- Salomon S/Lab Motionfit 360 Jacket ($375, 5.8 oz)
- Montbell Peak Dry Shell ($300, 6.6 oz)
Thru-hikers have used this lighter fabric weight, but it’d seem limited to very lightweight packs and well maintained trails.
It’s worth nothing that cycling-specific Shakedry shells are made by Gore Wear and Rapha, the ritzy bike brand. These models lack hoods.
Fit and sizing
If you don’t read this section, you’ll get the wrong size, guaranteed. The H5 Shakedry has a “Form Fit,” which Gore Wear describes as:
Not skin tight, but also not excessively baggy, Form Fit garments provide a sporting silhouette without being body hugging. If you normally fall halfway between two sizes we recommend taking the larger one.
Based on my experience, Gore Wear is being too conservative with its sizing recommendation, especially for the US market. Mine is simpler: Buy one size up.
Normally I’m a slim fit Medium. Small tops fit me in the chest and shoulders, but the sleeves are too short. Standard size Mediums are oversized in the body.
My H5 Shakedry is a Large, and it’s the right size for me. It has an athletic cut, and a mid-layer fits nicely underneath. I can add a lightweight puffy jacket, too, but it’s at the expense of some loft and agility.
The most unique feature of the H5 Shakedry is its fabric: Gore-Tex Active with Shakedry technology. Unlike other waterproof/breathable fabrics (including standard Active), the PTFE/Teflon membrane is on the outside. It’s not sandwiched inside a laminate or protected by a DWR-treated face fabric.
The original Active with Shakedry — as used in aforementioned HyperAir and Norvant — is insufficiently durable for backpacking, per Gore’s usage guidelines. The H5 Shakedry uses a new heavier Shakedry variant that can better withstand abrasion from heavy packs and brush. Mine seemed unfazed by a 40-pound guide pack or by bushwhacking through alder and willow.
Gore claims that Active with Shakedry will not wet out. So far this has been my experience, and I’ve enjoyed the benefits. The jacket:
- Dries quickly even without shaking it, because water evaporates or falls off it;
- Does not gain weight during storms;
- Remains more comfortable in cold temperatures, because my body heat is no longer being sucked away by a saturated face fabric; and,
- Is less likely to wet through, because the relative humidity outside the jacket stays less than the humidity inside.
Many rain jackets work well when new-ish, and I can’t yet attest to the H5 Shakedry’s long-term performance. But I’m encouraged by the experience of Garret Workman, who used the TNF HyperAir Jacket on a 100-day thru-hike of the Appalachian Trail (his review) and who reported recently that it’s still performing well after three years (his update).
Per Gore, Active with Shakedry is “one of the most breathable GORE-TEX laminates available.” You’d be right to read that with a gain of salt — Gore has been the King of Hype for decades, and has made many such hyperbolic statements before. I’ve not seen MVTR test results for the H5, but Montbell cites an off-the-charts rating of 80,000g/m2/24hrs (JIS L-1099 B-1 method) for its Peak Dry Jacket.
Intuitively, Gore might be right, however: Its fabrics are constantly improving, and the Shakedry technology eliminates an entire layer from the laminate. Anecdotally, it’s difficult for me to say: testing temperatures were cool; the trips were all guided, so my output was sub-max; and I run cooler than average, so I’m usually the last to complain about lackluster breathability.
The Shakedry fabric sets the H5 apart. The remainder of the jacket is well designed, but more ordinary.
The water-resistant two-way front zipper can be opened from the bottom, in order to vent the torso and to sit down without stressing the fabric or the zipper.
The front pockets are convenient, and mostly useful even while wearing a backpack with a hipbelt. But they’re not a “venting option” as suggested by the product specs. The backer fabric is, at best, water-resistant, and it could be WP/B — it’s difficult to tell. To vent in any meaningful way, the liner fabric would have to be mesh.
The hat-compatible hood fits well, has a semi-stiff double-layer brim, and has one drawcord adjustment to help keep it out of your eyes. Still, though, every hood I’ve ever used performs better when paired with a ballcap or visor.
The waist drawcord and draft collar improves fit and comfort when running and day-hiking without a pack. But a hipbelt will do the same thing.
The partially elasticized wrist cuffs are consistent with the H5 Shakedry’s minimalist design, but they’re my chief complaint about the jacket. Looser cuffs with hook-and-loop adjustment flaps would be better: they’d offer more airflow, could be more easily shingled with rain mitts, and wouldn’t hinder access to a wrist watch.
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How does it compare with Columbia’s Outdry Extreme? I bought that Columbia jacket, and while I think the design could be better, the Outdry material seems great, especially given the light weight.
I have the Diamond Shell, which was one of the original OutDry Extreme models in 2016. It weighs 13.7 oz in size Medium, which fits more like a Large: it’s designed as a winter shell (pit zips, helmet-compatible hood), and I regularly put a mid-layer and large puffy jacket under it when I’m alpine skiing and hunting. I haven’t use it in much rain — for 3-season trips it’s always seemed too heavy.
The OutDry Extreme fabric is stiffer and thicker than the Shakedry, and also matte instead of glossy. I think it’s reasonable to assume that the Outdry is more durable, just based on its weight, but I’m not going to test that, sorry.
I have not handled the OutDry Extreme Featherweight fabric, but based on jacket specs (8.8 oz, with similar feature set) I bet it’s closer in feel and durability to the Shakedry. Huge cost difference though — the Featherweight retails for almost half the price.
As a cosmetic issue, it’s worth noting that the Shakedry seams are sealed inside the jacket, not outside as with the OutDry Extreme.
Oddly, gore windstopper is actually wp/b. The specific H5 jacket may not be wp/b if they don’t seal the seams, but the fabric is. I don’t know why they choose to market it as non-wp/b. (Ex: Montbell Versalite – https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?cat_id=25013&p_id=2328169&gen_cd=1)
I almost accidentally purchased the wrong type of Gore H5 Shakedry – I was in a rush because it was heavily discounted, it was luck I was interrupted and when I went back noticed it was INFINIUM.
Personally I don’t appreciate Gore’s naming methodology – if it’s an H5 ShakeDry I expect it to be waterproof, not water resistant.
Ugggh, sorry, just realised I’ve unhelpfully used the same handle as the poster I was replying to. The above two posts are by two different Bens!
Isnt the regular h5 shakedry called infinium then?
Isnt this the same jacket that Andrew has?
Infinium is not shakedry.
Shakedry is a 2 layer ePTFE material (the outer nylon laminate is gone).
Infinium is not even waterproof.
Some Infinium has a windstopper membrane (again not waterproof)
I think the Infinium material is some kind of woven PTFE mix (speculation), so the effective pore size would let water through, but the PTFE would allow the material to dry quicker, breath and block wind. Gore has terrible naming conventions.
I think you may misunderstand all the confusing array of Gore marketing jargon, as you stated, “Gore has terrible naming conventions.” Gore calls SHAKEDRY a “technology” not a 2 layer ePTFE material. The ePTFE is the Gore-Tex membrane itself and Gore has imbued magic sauce for persistant beading (essentially PU, but shhh) and calls it SHAKEDRY technology. Infinium and Windstopper are just labeling names, with Infinium being TM and Windstopper being R (e.g. unregistered trademark and Registered trademark respectively). Think of it as Infinium line of clothing and Windstopper being what it does, stops the wind. Gore is simply trying to merge all of its non-guaranteed waterproof under the Infinium hang tag. Gore also markets Infinium with persistent beading (sound familiary? Like Gore-Tex Shakedry?), but doesn’t call it SHAKEDRY even though it’s still the gore-tex membrane on the outside with persistent beading technology (e.g. SHAKEDRY), but again since white hang tag, not calling it SHAKEDRY.
Bottom line is that both the guaranteed and non-guaranteed waterproof tags (e.g. black and white respectively) both use Gore’s ePTFE membrane, which is in of itself waterproof (depending on your definition of waterproof, which is technically 10,000mm+ water resitance). Although the non-guaranteed waterproof Infinium uses a thinner version (Gore says “evolved”) of the ePTFE membrane, which has a lower pressure permiability than the thicker version used in the guaranteed waterproof version; however, again back to the definition of waterproof. The thinner ePTFE membrane in the Infinium line in of itself is technically waterproof since it has a water resistance of over 30,000mm; however, Gore does not guarantee it because it does not require taped seams on the products, has a lower water resistance than the thicker ePTFE used in the guaranteed black tag products, and you can laminate it with things like fleece which doesn’t help in its waterproofness ability.
Again the membrane itself is waterproof, as all teflon is/should be waterproof, since it is the same ePTFE after all, and has a water resitance of over 10,000mm, but Gore just won’t guarantee Infinium line to keep you dry, for the aforementioned reasons. Whether you consider the membrane in Infinium waterproof depends on your definition of waterproof vs water resistant, the standard of measure, and the fact that there is no actual standard for declaring either waterproof or water resistant for clothing like there is for say watches or electronic devices with ingress ratings. The membrane itself whether with the black Gore-Tex or White Gore-Tex Infinium tag is the same ePTFE membrane, again.
Even though your comment was in 2020, Gore was still pushing out that same thinner ePTFE membrane in their Pro line but in bicomponent fashion mashing the ePTFE with PU. Push ahead, Gore also pushed out a three layer ePTFE membrane (two more porous thin ePTFE layers sandwhiching an even thinner more porous ePTFE layer), but having the same overall membrane thickness as the bicomponent in its new generation pro. Note, I am talking only about the membrane itself not the other layers the membrane is laminated to (e.g. face and/or liner laminated layers). Push to 2022 season where Gore will push out a bicomponent ePE and PU membrane that is thinner than the single, bicomponent, and tricomponent ePTFE membranes.
Montbell’s Peakdry also uses this fabric AFAIK https://www.montbell.us/products/disp.php?p_id=1128632. I’ve used it in Sweden this year and was really impressed by it.
Good find. They need to work on their SEO — it does not come up quickly when searching for Gore-Tex Shakedry.
Do you know what fabric weight is used in this jacket? I’m uncertain that it’s the heavier version used in the H5. Most of the original Shakedry jackets spec at 4 to 5 oz; the H5 is 8.2, with only about 0.5 oz of fat (in the waist drawcord). The Peak Dry sits at 6.5 oz. It’s difficult for me to see how it could be 1.5 oz heavier than the lighter versions, but also 1.5 oz lighter than the H5.
The product description is what worries me more. It says, “This construction does have its limitations. Care needs to be taken, avoiding situations where the jacket is subject to abrasion. We see this jacket demonstrating its true value on missions that are short and don’t require heavy packs. Backpackers with heavier loads or thru-hikers that have a light pack but intend to use it every day for 6 months would be better off going with a different option.”
When I was sent the H5, it was not given these instructions. Those qualifications sound more similar to what you hear of brands using the lighter Shakedry version.
I’ve stumbled across the Dynafit Glockner Ultra Shakedry jacket, which seems to have some sort of expansion zip at the back to help accommodate a backpack – maybe under the jacket?
No photos of that feature in use though.
Hi Ben et al
There is a video showing the Dynafit over a backpack. Check out YouTube.
Thanks Kim, that was interesting. The expansion pouch was actually smaller than I was expecting – perhaps more for bladders or runners tiny backpacks.
Still, an interesting solution to the issue of pack straps over the top of delicate shakedry material.
I know this a review of the jacket, but what are the mittens you are wearing in the last photo? I’ve given up on WP/B and got a Lightheart Gear non-breathable jacket with huge pit zips that I think works better (also no wet-out, more durable, and at least as good at keeping down condensation as WP/B), but hands were my weak point recently on the A.T. in 40 degree, all day long, rain.
Shows 282, https://andrewskurka.com/review-showa-282-gloves-cold-wet-conditions/
Wear them until the liner delaminates, then remove the liner and pair with heavy fleece or wool kit gloves.
Btw I can recommend the Montane Vortex gloves.
Strangely hard to find a light gore-tex glove for wet trail running.
Great review as always!
According to you what is the reason the revolution has not happened, since the fabric seems to deliver? Prices?
I think the fabric is pricey, and Gore requires of its partner brands a minimum buy. So only a few brands have been confident enough to give it a go.
As usual, great review Andrew!
It seems that the R7 Shakedry Trail Hooded Jacket (as opposed to the R7 Shakedry Hooded Jacket – Gore’s labelling is just so confusing!) uses the same fabric as the H5 Jacket reviewed above: https://www.gorewear.com/us/en-us/gore-r7-gore-tex-shakedry-trail-hooded-jacket-100457.html The main difference with the H5 seems to be that the two front pockets were replaced by a small chest pocket. Zipper, hood & wrist cuffs look identical. The R7 Shakedry Trail is 80 USD cheaper and discounted versions seem more easily available, so potentially a useful alternative to the H5.
I’m not convinced the R7 Shakedry Trail uses the same material as the H5. In the product description for the R7, they describe the fabric as “Our most breathable GORE-TEX laminate”. That description is conspicuously absent in the description of the H5. Further, the listed weight of the R7 Trail is 6.2oz, while the H5 is 8.3oz. I’m not sure the loss of one pocket can account for a 2.1oz weight difference. That suggests that a lighter-weight fabric was used in the R7 Trail.
That said, Gore isn’t explicit about what material they use for each jacket, which makes it hard to know for sure.
According to Marketing Release documents provided by Gore Wear, the R7 Trail is also described as having a new version of the Shakedry material which is 30% more resistant to tearing compared to the original Shakedry. This is exactly the same description they use for the H5 as well, even though the website description and how they use the wording for the two products differ slightly. So, it seems it is the same material.
Link to R7 Trail marketing material for confirmation: http://portal.gorewear.com/marketingrelease/r7-gore-tex-shakedry%c2%ad-trail-hooded-jacket-100457/
Any experience with the Arc’teryx Norvan using a light backpack?
I don’t, maybe someone else can chime in.
Define “light pack.”
The Norvan is made of the same fabric used for the TNF HyperAir. If you follow the links in the post, you’ll find Garrett’s reviews about that. Also check out the post of an REI employee on the r/Ultralight post about this review.
A “light pack” will (in my definition) be an Osprey Talon 22 a like size for a day hike.
This was just released and kind of interesting…
I’m usually not a fan of combining insulation with a waterproof layer in a backpacking layering system as I would rather have multiple layers instead of one. But it is good to see that Arcteryx is continuing to innovate with Shakedry. Their site does not list the denier of the face fabric used. I believe this is only other product they have made with Shakedry other than the Norvan SL.
That was a pathetically cheesy video, what I expected something much better.
When I was writing this post I came across that product. They lined the jacket with highly breathable fleece from polartec. As you pointed out coming up having two separate garments would give you greater flexibility.
Could you reccomend a rain shell that is sub $250? Maybe your favorite best value she’ll.
I’ll give you a few, starting lowest to highest (but still less than $250):
Ya I personally carry the good old Toggs in situations where there’s relatively low precipitation or not continuous enough to warrant a breathable shell. But I want to do more hiking in areas with unpredictable weather. I didn’t know if there was something you had stumbled on where you were pleasantly surprised by the performance.
I have a torrid apex jacket and somehow totally forgot about the Visp! I’ll check it out. Thank you.
I’ve got a preview coming about the Visp. It’s a lot of performance for its weight, but it’s still only 5 oz for jacket and 4 oz for pants, mostly because EE used a VERY light 3-layer fabric. I’m not sure it’d be the jacket I’d trust for extended rain and long-term use, but it’s a good option for a lot of my trips, which tend to be in the semi-arid Mountain West.
Can’t wait to hear more about the durability long term on this 🙂
On my last backpack outing my several years old Westcomb Apoc wetted out for the first time leaving me very sad and ready to start looking for a new shell. Please keep us posted with long term reviews of this and any new updates about the material!! Always great content Andrew, thanks!
Regarding the TNF HyperAir: Mine is no longer performing 🙁
I have owned it for two years and have used it very regularly over the past year for cycling and day hikes with a light pack (4-6kg). Water still beads off the surface but somehow also soaks through the membrane, even after only about 15 minutes in light rain. Water soaks directly through the membrane around the shoulders (maybe due to the use of a pack?) but also all along the inner arm area. No problems with abrasion and durability, apart from the loss of waterproofness.
Overall, was a great jacket while it worked, but not worth the price/useful life of the jacket. It is now relegated to a wind shirt. It seems the shake dry fabric is just not durable enough…
Counterpoint to Seb, my long-term review of the original (ca. 2015) TFN Hyperair – I decided to heed the warnings and never wore a backpack over mine.
Located 100km north of Montreal, Canada. For 3+ years I’ve worn it all winter as a windbreaker / snow & rain shell over cheap Costco puffy jackets. This is my everyday setup and it’s unbelievably versatile for all conditions ranging from +5C to -25C in dry, snowy or rainy weather. Mesh pockets allow more airflow in warm weather, while drawstrings and velcro cuffs help retain heat when it’s cold.
I’ve never had water soak through it even in torrential downpours, and it still looks exactly as the day I got it. Material feels flimsy but has held up so far without a single tear despite being snagged a few times.
Overall I’m 100% satisfied and I’ll probably pick up another to use when (if?) mine ever wears out. My only complaint: I wish the hood had an Arcteryx-style peak instead of sloping straight down my forehead. I can vouch for the durability of the Gore-Tex Active (now called Gore-Tex Shakedry) fabric
i’ve had the tnf hyperair since 2017. i bought it immediately after my marmot precip wet out halfway through the TMB and could not be restored with nikwax. prior to that, my precip had wet out in iceland and my arms went numb from cold even with a baselayer, R1 and ghost whisperer underneath. a rain jacket that wets out is a huge disadvantage in cold, wet, windy conditions. when a jacket wets out and the wind is blowing hard, the process of water evaporating from a jacket robs you of a substantial amount of heat (think about what it feels like when you have water on your skin in a strong wind). with shakedry the droplets just blow off and evaporation is minimized. i have encountered similar conditions with the hyperair and stayed warm and toasty with just an R1 and baselayer underneath.
with regard to the durability, i got too close to a tree the first few times wearing it and a branch cut a small slit in it. i (stupidly) wore it while learning how to mountain bike and fell. it abraded pretty badly. so if you do a lot of bushwhacking in the rain, it may not be for you. that said, both the slit and the abrasions were fixed with repair tape and meticulous application of seam sealer-like silicon material.
the high breathability numbers are no joke either. i am that guy in rei that holds jackets up to his mouth and tries to blow air through it. with shakedry you can actually move a surprising amount of air through it. for this reason i also use it as a wind jacket.
the hyperair is the best rain jacket i have owned and i have no plans to upgrade it.
Thanks for the nice review. I can’t just figure out what is happening in the gear industry. I have a Columbia Outdry Caldorado jacket that its quite solid (totally rainproof and relatively breathable with underarm “gill” slits) and extremely light (200 grams in Medium size). The jacket never received a “proper” review from anyone. And now, Columbia discontinued it (along with the slightly heavier and less breathable Featherweight). I asked Columbia if a new II version is supposed to come out soon and got no answer (maybe you know something?). And you also mentioned that the Gore H5 technology was retained in only one (very expensive) model. How do you explain this strange situation?
Thanks again, Dano
Just now the Gore H5 shakedry is on sale at CAMPZ (e.g. campz.dk) for less than 200€.
Haven’t heard anything.
I think I might be able to shed some light. I had one of those Caldorado jackets. Loved it. And it died after a single season (and I’m no pro–that was about two weeks on the JMT and another two walking in Europe). Started to wet through (in the shoulders, as always). Sent it back. Columbia gave me a credit for the purchase price, which I have not used because they have nothing else I want.
I just bought a Columbia Outdry Extreme Reversible II women’s jacket. They’re available on Amazon for less than $40, as are the Blitz jackets. I don’t know if these jackets are worth $150, but at < $40 I want to try a jacket that hopefully will not wet out.
Both the Reversible and the Blitz apparently weigh over 13 oz., so I assume they are the heavier fabric. (Columbia isn't good about providing weights on their website.) The Reversible has an inner liner, so it may be too warm for high summer use, but here in New England the major rains come in the spring. I also have a almost-new Marmot DWR jacket (I'm not sure if it's the Precip) that also weighs 13.7 oz (actually measured by me), so the DWR is still good, but I don't wear it casually in order to preserve the DWR for actual backpacking.
Since we get a lot of rain here in the Northeast, I'm willing to carry a few extra ounces for a jacket that is more waterproof, won't wet out, and doesn't have the DWR wear problem. I don't care if it's less breathable, as I'd rather be damp with sweat than soaked with cold rain.
I have to wonder if there's another generation of new fabrics coming soon, and these are being discontinued. Or perhaps it's just these particularly jackets being discontinued.
The fabric looks a bit 1980ies vinyl suity 🙂 If you get my drift.. I don’t think there will be enough people buying it. It’s just a weird material, and it’s not particularly comfortable to wear either.
Update: sent my TNF HyperAir to GoreTex and got refunded. Used the money to buy a discounted H5.
Note on sizing: I am always medium but got an XL for the H5 and it fits perfect. I can fit a Patagonia ultralight down hoody size medium underneath with no constriction issues. As with my TNF jacket, I will be using the H5 almost everyday for biking and hiking with a pack.
Notes on the jacket: it does not have a traditional draw cord at the bottom, instead it has a “internal waist gaiter” that I guess seals out the weather on the back, but does nothing for the front. Also, the hood sucks.
It looks like Gore has discontinued the entire “H” line. A few items on clearance. Is the R7 a fair swap?
Also as you go up in the number you get a more sport-specific performance fit. So the R7 is a very tight running-specific fit and you won’t be able to layer underneath except for a thin fleece.
Beware, there’s both an R7 and R7 trail jacket. Only the R7 trail is designed for use with a light backpack.
After a season or two of using it how has it held up?
I really liked my Columbia featherweight, but after a few seasons of solid use (probably 100+ uses including my cycle commuting and some cycle touring) it started falling apart really badly – surprisingly the cuffs and the hipbelt areas (rather than the shoulders) started flaking apart/delaminating (though the shoulders feel think and will go pretty soon i think).
Unfortanately seems columbia don’t have a lightweight hiking aimed outdry based jacket anymore, so looking for a replacement that might hopefully last a bit longer
I have not put 100+ days on the H5, but I’m skeptical that it will hold up as well as a traditional 3-layer fabric with a sturdy face fabric. Maybe I’ll have more to report the end of the 2020 season.
Great review. You noted that you recommend the shakedry for places where it does not rain often. What do you recommend for someplace where it does rain often? I live in Norway and it rains all the time!!! It can be absolute terrible weather for days or even weeks in the mountains. The brands here are different than in the States. I currently use a Bergens’ 100% polyester outer membrane jacket, that is durable as heck and has gotten me through several gales and even a whiteout in the mountains. The only problem is it is on the heavier side at 15.1 oz. Any recommendations for something that is tough and durable but that is still relatively light and can take multiple days (or even a week) of crappy rainy, snow, and sleet without completely wetting out? I am planning on doing a three month long thru hike of Norway this summer, roughly 2,000 km. I want to get a little bit lighter than 15.1 ozs for my jacket, but I am also afraid if I go too light, I am just going to be sopping wet and unprotected from the elements. I welcome your thoughts. Would the EE Visp hold up in Norway or the Montbell Versalite?
Arcteryx Alpha FL is probably the lightest gore pro jacket on the market. Swami seems to be using the montbell peak shell (discontinued)/montbell storm cruiser for high rain environments. Arcteryx Zeta FL appears to be a slightly more expensive but 3 oz lighter version of the storm cruiser (equivalent, maybe even identical fabrics from what I can tell).
Andrew has touched on this in various places, but I think the most complete discussion on his blog is here:
The essence is that there is no solution that will keep you dry in wet conditions. However, he discusses several options at that link.
I’m planning on trying Outdry+umbrella on a future trip here in New England, which is another rainy area.
It seems Gore has discontinued this jacket, which is very frustrating. A durably waterproof and breathable shell jacket which won’t wet out has been on my wishlist for a long time, and this seemed to be the perfect fit – just that I am a year late….
However, after intense googling and mostly only finding jackets made of the lighter and more fragile shakedry membrane, I stumbled upon two jackets from Mountain Equipment with Gore-Tex Shakedry Hike fabric. The Impellor Shakedry and Propellor Shakedry jackets: https://www.mountain-equipment.co.uk/collections/mens-jackets/feature_gore-tex They are claiming to be made for hiking with backpacks without any issues, leading me to believe that the fabric name “Shakedry Hike” (which I haven’t seen from any other manufacturer of Shakedry jackets) indicates they are made of the same thicker Shakedry fabric as the (now discontinued) Gore H5 Shakedry that you have reviewed here. Do you have any experience or further knowledge regarding these Shakedry Hike alternatives from Mountain Equipment? I am very tempted to order the Propellor version, which has adjustable cuffs and regular pockets.
I haven’t been updated on Gore’s branding, but Shakedry Hike sounds very consistent with the fabric used in the H5.
Thanks for the reply 🙂 Took the chance and ordered the Propellor Shakedry. Got one for both myself and my gf. So far it seems very good, did a hike for several hours in the rain (without at backpack) and it was amazing to see the beading effect never fade – stayed bone dry. However, my gf went for an hour long walk downtown with a backpack on in similar heavy rain, and it seems that even the Shakedry fabric wets out underneath the soaked backpack straps after some time. At least her jacket did, and it thus lost the beading effect there while the fabric was wet. And, to my surprise, she also got sligthly wet on the inside in parts of the strap area – but it’s hard to tell if it was just condensation (soaked pack straps = no breathability in those areas ofc.) or if the fabric actally leaked some water through. Temperature was around 8-10 C (live in Norway). After drying the jacket the beading have returned though, and it seems to be working as before again also in the pack strap areas (pending further testing though, it hasn’t rained much since). However, I am somewhat concerned for future hikes. Have you experienced this issue with the H5 under the your backpack straps? Just wondering if this might be an inherent problem with GTX membrane that even Shakedry cannot fully alleviate, or if there might be something wrong with this particular jacket.
(if it turns out to be just condensation I guess you cannot blame the jacket/membrane for not being able to breathe through a soaked backpack strap 🙂 But I was a bit surprised that the Shakedry fabric/membrane itself was even able to (apparently) wet out, so I almost hope that there is something not quite right with the membrane of this particular jacket.)
It has finally started raining consistently, and I am disappointed with the H5 performance. After only 6 months of use with a hydration pack the shoulder areas are no longer waterproof. Used it today to walk to the store in light rain for approx. 15 minutes and water started coming through the membrane and liner. Water still beads on the outside, but somehow gets through. Failure was only in the shoulder areas this time, possibly due to abrasion from pack, but the membrane shows no visible wear and I suspect other areas (such as inside of elbows) will also fail.
I like how the Shakedry performs, but at this price point and with such limited durability it is simply not worth it…if there wasn’t a good guarantee. I will return to GoreTex for a refund and probably buy another Shakedry jacket if I find a deal.
Interesting Seb. From what I understand, you have now had two different Shakedry jackets (TNF HyperAir and Gore H5) fail in a similar way? (i.e. losing the waterproofing despite still beading water on the surface.) At the same time, both Garrett Workman and Andrew report no such issues after long-term use with backpacks on their HyperAir and H5 Shakedry jackets, respectively.
However, I read a comment about theoretical backpack abrasion-issues with Shakedry here regarding another Shakedry jacket, the Montbell Peak Dry shell: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/feedback-montbell-peak-dry-shell-jacket/#post-3639861
Aparantly this guy has spoken with some Gore-Tex Shakedry product manager, who said that specific types of backpack fabrics could cause increased wear on the Shakedry (unfortunately he didn’t get any more specific info). So, could it be that your pack has a fabric which causes higher friction/more abrasion than other types of backpacks, and that this might be causing your Shakedry jackets to loose waterproof ability after some time..? (I know it would hardly explains the issue with the elbows on your HyperAir though)
Just trying to understand what could be the reason your shakedry jackets have lost their waterproof performance, as so many people in various places/comments sections seem to report that Shakedry is surprisingly durable even when wearing a backpack – and is still waterproof even after years of backpacking.
tl;dr: it’s hard to tell apart sweat from rainwater soaking through the jacket, but after a lot of observation and testing I can conclude that the Shakedry is NOT durably waterproof.
I have been using a six year old Osprey hydration pack, so typical materials there. However, with respect to the reviews, there are a couple of important details in Skurka and Workman’s reviews that should not be overlooked which may help explain the discrepancies.
Workman mentions that he kept wearing the jacket even during dry weather, and Skurka mentions that the weather was relatively good and you can see him wearing the jacket in dry conditions. Since the jacket has quite good breathability, any precipitation that might have made it through would definitely have dried up, and any perceived wetness would have probably been chalked up to claminess due to perspiration (in my experience I have come to realize that in many cases claminess under a rain shell was due to loss of waterproofness and not from a lack of breathability/perspiration build up). This would definitely give the impression that the jacket is waterproof even though it is leaking. On the other hand, if you are sweating you will be wet under your jacket, no matter the conditions or material, which makes it hard to judge whether a jacket is indeed waterproof.
My use has been a bit different since my most common rain conditions would be about 45 minutes of precipitation while biking with a hydration pack, after which I would remove the jacket; during biking I suspected that the jackets were loosing their waterproofness, but it was still difficult to distinguish precipitation from perspiration. What really allowed me to figure out what was happening was using my Shakedry jackets around the city, meaning I was definitely not sweating, and by regularly putting the jacket on and off I could see what was going on with the membrane. Through these observations, even during relatively short duration (15min) walks in light rain with no pack, I was able to notice both the TNF and Gore jackets had lost waterproofness.
Additional testing by draping the jackets over a container, pouring a small amount of water and waiting 30-45min revealed that even though the water would bead on the membrane, moisture would still soak through. Testing on different areas of the jackets showed that the shoulders and inside elbows were the worst performing, but other areas that should have no pack wear had also lost waterproofness (although these do not soak through as much).
I must also mention that the Skurka and Workman reviews are relatively short term. On the other hand I had at least 700 days of use on the TNF Hyperair and daily use over 6 months with the H5. Also, I have much more experience than just biking with the jacket, but no space here for all that detail.
As mentioned before, GoreTex refunded my TNF Hyperair which had stricter care considerations than the H5. I will keep using the H5, but as winter gets colder and wetter I suspect I will be returning the H5 to GoreTex eventually.
Thanks for the insights and reporting your experience Seb. Curious what Andrew has to say regarding how his H5 holds up after a second season of hiking/guiding with it.
Heading into the rainy season. Any updates to this would be helpful. I’m in the market for a trail running in the rain jacket as well as a backpacking jacket.
I didn’t see much rain this year, but on any trip where I expected it I was usually carrying the H5.
Those trips would have been a mix of trail and open off-trail, though, not bushwhacking. After last season’s use, you can hold the jacket up to a light and see pinholes in the fabric where it probably had been snagged by some Alaskan brush. Not sure that’s enough to let water in (and I never got wet while wearing it) but it does not inspire confidence.
I wouldn’t mind that in a $40 jacket, but it’s unacceptable in a $400 jacket. When the price goes up 10X so do my expectations.
I ordered the r7 shakedry trail for trail running in the rain. I can follow up after a season. It’s on sale on Gore’s website now
I am always a medium in everything, but the r7 shakedry was too small across the chest, I have returned and am waiting on the large.
Hey, any update on the performance/durability of the R7 Shakedry Trail? Thanks,
Disappointed to see the H5 is no longer offered. I would have liked to given it a try.
After reading more of these comments I think I did something potentially crazy. I bought an Arcteryx Norvan SL since it was on sale…still $$… to use as an emergency shell with a reasonably heavy pack (30-40 lbs) in summers in the western US (not PNW). I have read good things elsewhere using it this way and intend to simply tape up the jacket as it wears in the shoulders and elsewhere. We’ll see how it goes. I went into this just to experiment so no worries either way in the end.
After this burst of shakedry development for backpacking it seems to have faded away now which is unfortunate. I have to wonder if there’d be a way to glue a reinforcing mat or mesh to the surface of regular or the H5 version of shakedry to at least improve its wear resistance if not it’s bushwacking ability.
Part of me wonders if Gore has no interest in trying to improve Shaekdry for hiking purposes bc it could somehow negatively impact the bottom line if this type of jacket could last longer…
I’m not sure if this is the right place for this question but here goes.
Regarding the search for the best possible rain wear and the debate over the Pakka vs. Gore shakedry which is still hit and miss regarding durability and availability I’m wondering if an anorak style goretex jacket with under arm zippers that extend down all the way to the hem line of the jacket might be a good solution? This way the front of the jacket can float over the pack belt like a poncho and significant ventilation can be obtained by opening up those pit zips as far as possible without allowing too much rain to enter from the sides. Interested in thoughts and opinions.
Andrew, are you still using the H5 Shakedry? How has it been holding up for durability?
Still own it, still pack it, thankfully don’t have to use it very often.
Abrasion resistance is very questionable, wouldn’t recommend it for any bushwhacking.
Have you ever tried the Haglofs LIM Shakedry jacket they made temporarily? Looks like they made two – one with an odd non waterproof mesh back panel (or maybe it just looks non waterproof) and one that was basically a competitor to this. I was not able to find many specs but I believe it is slightly heavier which might mean slightly more durable. It did not use the stretchy lame cuffs like my Gore R7 does (not sure what they were thinking putting a water absorbent fabric on a shell – not a bad jacket for running though).
I have heard long term of even the more durable Shakedry jackets started to wet through (not wet out – as in the membrane fully failed) because of the pack straps. This is even on the ones that are supposedly approved with a pack. This got me thinking that maybe I could just buy one and before ever using it add some type of tape or additional fabric to the tops of the shoulders – potentially maybe really increasing the durability. Obviously this would kill any breathability but I cannot imagine much is really going on in the tops of the shoulders anyways in terms of moisture transport. Originally was leaning toward sewing on a light nylon fabric but now I am thinking it might be easiest to just literally use something like kenyon ripstop repair tape (or the taffetta version) which is similar to tenacious tape. I have used the Columbia OutDry stuff quite a bit and while I find it actually super durable for the weight and totally waterproof it does also seem to breathe poorly in comparison. Got really spoiled by the air permeable membranes like Neoshell/Ascentshell – so much more comfortable!
Hell – might even add some real pitzips while I am at it if I am going to make the mods anyways….
Now for sale. https://www.gorewear.com/us/en-us/r7-gore-tex-shakedry-trail-hooded-jacket-100457